AUDIO: Five ‘burning questions’ for sons- and daughters-in-law facing succession

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Published: June 15, 2022

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AUDIO: Five ‘burning questions’ for sons- and daughters-in-law facing succession

Full interview: Jeff Melchior talks to Scott Dickson and Bob Tosh of MNP on “burning questions” son- or daughters-in-law should ask during succession planning.

The succession process for farms and ranches can be hard enough for “blood” family members. But what if you’re a son- or daughter-in-law who’s either the direct successor or their spouse? After all, you haven’t been in the family loop your entire life.

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There are a few “burning questions” you should ask your in-laws even before you sit down with financial advisors to discuss succession, say advisors with consulting firm MNP. Some are specific to the in-law relationship — others should be asked in all cases of succession.

Is the operation profitable? Purchasing a farm or ranch from in-laws shouldn’t be different from any other business: the books need to be opened up in order to prove the operation is making money, says Scott Dickson with MNP in Red Deer, Alberta.

“Don’t assume that it’s profitable. In a lot of cases one of the reasons why mom and dad don’t want to open the books is because they’re afraid of showing that it’s not as well off as they maybe hoped.”

Scott Dickson on the profitability question.

How am I going to build equity? The question of how to build equity in a transitioning operation drives a number of further questions, says Dickson.

“What is the system I’m going to build equity with? What is my overall compensation package look like? How do I protect that from the possibility of future marital breakdown? Where do I sit in this hierarchy of ownership? Those are key questions that would spring to mind.”

Bob Tosh and Scott Dickson on building equity and ownership structure

Are the owners’ wills up-to-date? The parent landowners may have every intention of handing down the ranch to you, but what happens if an outdated will says otherwise?

“I would be very curious as to what their estate plan actually said, especially if my spouse had siblings with an interest in the ranch side. I would certainly want to know that document was up-to-date,” says Bob Tosh of MNP in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan.

Bob Tosh on why you want to know what’s in the wills.

How much do the parents get for retirement? Chances are good that mom- and dad-in-law will want some income from the farm once they transition out of management and labour. This figure should be established and tested for feasibility early, says Tosh.

“How much retirement income planning have they done? Are they going to need $50,000 or $150,000 per year? Is it possible for the business to survive with this cash outflow and provide yourself and your spouse with a reasonable living as you continue on with the business?”

Bob Tosh on retirement income for the inlaws.

What does the transition of management look like? “Often we see in these intergenerational transitions that the outgoing generation struggles to let go of management control, especially in circumstances where we have a son-in-law (taking over),” says Tosh.

“As a son-in-law, my concern would be when do we get to have the final say? When is that management control going to transition and how?”

The sheer value of land today may play a role in outgoing generations’ reluctance to let go, says Dickson.

“It’s not a one million dollar scene anymore — it’s a five or ten million dollar scene. It’s a fantastic display of what you have grown in your lifetime that also marks the importance of making sure we don’t blow it.”

Bob Tosh on transitioning the farm’s management.

About the author

Jeff Melchior

Jeff Melchior

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Jeff Melchior is a reporter for Glacier FarmMedia publications. He grew up on a mixed farm in northern Alberta until the age of twelve and spent his teenage years and beyond in rural southern Alberta around the city of Lethbridge. Jeff has decades’ worth of experience writing for the broad agricultural industry in addition to community-based publications. He has a Communication Arts diploma from Lethbridge College (now Lethbridge Polytechnic) and is a two-time winner of Canadian Farm Writers Federation awards.

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